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  • axelk
    axelk Subscriber last edited by Mar 24, 2012, 7:06 PM

    We have an existing large site with strong, relevant traffic, including excellent SEO traffic. The company wants to launch a new business offering, specifically targeted at the "small business" segment. Because the "small business" customer is substantially different from the traditional "large corporation" customer, the company has decided to create a completely independent microsite for the "small business" market. Purely from a Marketing and Communications standpoint, this makes sense.

    From an SEO perspective, we have 2 options:

    1. Create the new "small business" microsite on a subdomain of the existing site, and benefit from the strong domain authority and trust of the existing site.
    2. Build the microsite on a separate domain with exact primary keyword match in the domain name.

    My sense is that option #1 is by far the better option in the short and long run. Am I correct?

    Thanks in advance!

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    • TREWS
      TREWS last edited by Apr 15, 2012, 5:24 PM Apr 15, 2012, 5:24 PM

      Thanks to everybody who's weighed in on this discussion.   Do y'all think subfolders are the way to go for new web content for a big company with a well-established website even if the main site won't do much linking to the subfolder and the covered topics are separate?   Is much link mojo passed purely as a property of the domain's strength (if domain.com is reputable, domain.com/folder/ must be, too)?  Or is the majority of authority established because of the internal links?

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      • axelk
        axelk Subscriber @EGOL last edited by Mar 25, 2012, 12:01 AM Mar 25, 2012, 12:01 AM

        Thanks, Nakul.

        I very much appreciate your comments and insight.

        Cheers - Axel

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        • NakulGoyal
          NakulGoyal @EGOL last edited by Mar 24, 2012, 9:51 PM Mar 24, 2012, 9:51 PM

          As I said I completely agree with you. There's is certainly "some" level of trust passed on and WebSEO's comment sounds right, because if that would not be the case that blogs on xxxx.blogspot.com and xxxx.wordpress.com would rank like crazy. So yes, number of sub-domains on a domain as well as the interlinking between the domain and the sub-domain would certainly influence the strength of the sub-domain, a little bit more.

          The most important factor here that should help you make the decision easily is the usability and brand awareness of the sub-domain when it's attached onto your main authority/brand site.

          As I said above in my 1st post and EGOL agreed, it would have been much stronger if you were able to do it as a sub-folder but I understand the technology issues. You might also want to look into Reverse Proxy if sub-folder is an option.

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          • axelk
            axelk Subscriber @EGOL last edited by Mar 24, 2012, 9:29 PM Mar 24, 2012, 9:29 PM

            Agree. Apparently domain authority and trust does not pass 100% to a subdomain. I've searched thru SEOmoz high and low and cannot find this issue being adequately addressed. (???)

            But check out this Sept 2010 post by webseo: www.webseoanalytics.com/blog/multiple-domains-vs-subdomains-vs-folders-in-seo/

            "WebSEOAnalytics.com team has done extensive analysis in the past on the Data that we collect from the reports of our SEO tools. Based on those data there are strong indications that a part of Authority and Trust passes to the subdomains only when the domain has a small number of subdomains and when the link structure of the main website passes enough link juice to them. "

            And this post on Google Webmaster blog, suggesting that links between a subdomain and a domain are essentially seen as "internal" links.

            So maybe there is some advantage passed from domain to subdomain?

            I would surely love to see Rand or one of the other experts at SEOmoz give their take on this issue.

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            • NakulGoyal
              NakulGoyal @EGOL last edited by Mar 24, 2012, 8:56 PM Mar 24, 2012, 8:56 PM

              You are not, you are absolutely right on the way you are thinking. Except that I have not seen any of that "root domain" advantage get passed onto the sub-domain level.

              If your main-domain is a brand domain, maybe you could do the sub-domain and I understand your reasoning behind it, however I would not expect the sub-domain to trickle through the SERPS and get the domain authority and trust like your root level domain does.

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              • axelk
                axelk Subscriber @EGOL last edited by Mar 24, 2012, 8:46 PM Mar 24, 2012, 8:46 PM

                Thanks EGOL and Nakul. Agree, a subfolder would be the best solution. Unfortunately we cannot do the subfolder approach. The sites use completely different platforms/ CMS, and so the options are either subdirectory or completely new domain.

                The problem with a new domain is that there is no transfer of domain trust or authority from the existing site to the new microsite. It is a painful, slow, long-term building process. It seems that with the recent Matt Cutts announcement on Google treatment of subdomains, many SEOs are now suggesting that some of the root domain equity does indeed transfer from root to subdomain.

                And it actually makes more sense from a holistic user and SEO perspective to use a subdomain. The two offerings are linked from a product category perspective, with one targeted at the needs of the small business user (hence different products, messages, and look & feel), and one targeted at the traditional corporate user. No duplicate content, yet intrinsically linked. I also think that small business users will look at it positively as they see that a "strong, established brand" is behind this targeted product. I have to think that Google (and other SE) algorithms, which are trying to more and more mirror human preferences, would see the subdomain/ domain linkage as positive.

                Am I "off-base" with my thinking?

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                • EGOL
                  EGOL @NakulGoyal last edited by Mar 24, 2012, 8:19 PM Mar 24, 2012, 8:19 PM

                  I agree with the subfolder.

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                  • NakulGoyal
                    NakulGoyal last edited by Mar 24, 2012, 7:36 PM Mar 24, 2012, 7:23 PM

                    The sub-domain won't essentially help you. Think of your sub-domain as a separate domain, almost. If it's possible from branding and other reasons, do a sub-folder and if that does not make sense or is not doable, your best best is go got Option 2. That according to me sounds better from Search perspective both short term as well as long run.

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