Does redirecting from a "bad" domain "infect" the new domain?
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Hi all,
So a complicated question that requires a little background.
I bought unseenjapan.com to serve as a legitimate news site about a year ago. Social media and content growth has been good. Unfortunately, one thing I didn't realize when I bought this domain was that it used to be a porn site.
I've managed to muck out some of the damage already - primarily, I got major vendors like Macafee and OpenDNS to remove the "porn" categorization, which has unblocked the site at most schools & locations w/ public wifi. The sticky bit, however, is Google. Google has the domain filtered under SafeSearch, which means we're losing - and will continue to lose - a ton of organic traffic.
I'm trying to figure out how to deal with this, and appeal the decision. Unfortunately, Google's Reconsideration Request form currently doesn't work unless your site has an existing manual action against it (mine does not). I've also heard such requests, even if I did figure out how to make them, often just get ignored for months on end.
Now, I have a back up plan. I've registered unseen-japan.com, and I could just move my domain over to the new domain if I can't get this issue resolved. It would allow me to be on a domain with a clean history while not having to change my brand. But if I do that, and I set up 301 redirects from the former domain, will it simply cause the new domain to be perceived as an "adult" domain by Google? I.e., will the former URL's bad reputation carry over to the new one?
I haven't made a decision one way or the other yet, so any insights are appreciated.
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Yes, the same thing happened with my new domain. after that, I am unable to take it back. Bank Branches made me out.
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On the potential good news side, I got someone from Google engaged in finding out how to perform a reconsideration request, given that the current method is broken. Hopefully this pans out.
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To be honest that's exactly right. In actuality you aren't ban evading, because you aren't that site and it no longer lives on that domain. But if Google's algorithms are unaware of that, more issues could arise
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Thanks for that detailed response. That all makes sense. It sounds like my best path forward is to continue to work to build legitimate links from legitimate sources, continue to try and contact Google for a reconsideration, and avoid taking any drastic action that might be interpreted as skirting the rules.
Thank you!
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There is a risk of the new domain being infected with the prior domain's negative equity. Basically if you put exactly the same site up as before with the same content and the domain-name is very similar, Google will assume it's the same site. For a lot of people that can be a good thing (preserving their SEO authority) but if you have negative equity it could be a very bad thing
If Google has mislabeled your site, that's what they believe your site is. Since they believe your site IS a porn site, their algorithms will probably see the new domain (with the same site on it) and interpret that as, hey this porn-site owner is trying to evade our listing bans. Ban evaders are bad, slap it back on!
Since you're already at a point where the algorithm(s) have failed you, I wouldn't anticipate them to randomly be more generous in the future. You might get lucky, but you might find the issue does creep across
The good news I guess is that usually, web-hosting and domain purchases aren't bank-breakingly expensive. As such it's worth a try I suppose. Just don't be shocked if it does well for a few days, and then suddenly declines again
I know that content similarity matters a lot for positive redirects (e.g: if you want to move SEO authority from one page to another, you'd better be sure that the content is very similar - otherwise it has little to no effect even with 301s). Does this also hold true for negative redirects? I'm not certain but I would suspect that the same logic would be at play. In this situation though, since it's exactly the same site and content it could work against you and let the negativity flow through
Maybe you could create 302 redirects instead of 301 redirects (keeps the authority, in this case negative, on the redirecting URL - not the redirect destination). Maybe you could also exempt the Googlebot user-agent from the redirects so that it doesn't see them at all
That would be some stuff I would try, but I wouldn't be amazed if Google got really cross with you for SERP ban-evasion behavior. If you could possibly re-brand slightly and re-write a load of the content that might help significantly. It's a lot of money though when in reality, it's a 50/50 gambit
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