Disavow post Penguin update
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As recent Penguin update makes quick move with backlinks with immediate impact; does Disavow tool also results the changes in few days rather than weeks like earlier? How long does it take now to see the impact of disavow? And I think still we must Disavow some links even Google claim that it'll take care of bad backlinks without passing value from them?
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Hi Marie,
Thanks for such detailed answer.
Actually I have recently disavow a website from which 74 links are pointing to our website. So that domain must be crawled post my disavow for the impact. Right?
I wanna share our experience with related to back-links. Our global website has visitors around the globe. We been inversely ranking in India and US when we reclaimed and removed links from few domains. In more detail: We dropped in India and Improved our ranking in US when we reclaimed some back links and we dropped in US and improved in India while we removed those redirects. So it clearly mean that one or few links can trigger the algorithm that our ranking fluctuated for more than 15 positions. So such few or more suspicious back-links might be pushing us down. In this scenario, we can use Disavow undoubtedly if we know such links. We never received any manual action but not sure about manual penalty or silent penalty, but definitely we dropped post recent Penguin update where some of the back-links are real culprits. Hope I shared some useful information to you.
Thanks,
Satish
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I don't think that anything has changed in how quickly the disavow tool works. If you put a domain or url in your disavow file, the next time Google crawls that page, they'll stop counting the link equity and the link signals that used to point to your site.
In the past, the reason why Penguin took so long to recover from is because the Penguin algorithm itself needed to be rerun in order for you to see the effects. What's changed now is that the algorithm is running in real time. So, as Google crawls the web, they do their Penguin magic.
I'm seeing a lot of people asking why they're not seeing any effects from disavowing and I think people are missing the point. The new Penguin algorithm devalues bad links but doesn't put a demotion on the site as it used to do. Disavowing a link essentially adds an invisible nofollow to the link. As such, disavowing a link that Google has already devalued is not going to help your site improve.
So why disavow at all? There are still some reasons to do so:
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If you've got a lot of unnatural links that are not disavowed then you could be at risk for getting a manual unnatural links penalty. You do not want to risk that.
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There could potentially be other algorithms that take links into account.
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While we have been told that Penguin devalues rather than demotes...should we take Google's word on that? Some people are disavowing just to be sure.
Hope that helps,
Marie
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