Penguin 2.0 Recovery - Penguin Update Rerun yet or not
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I have been hit by the penguin 2.0 update some five months back. I believe that I have an algorythmic penalty applied to my sites. While the work to cleanup etc has been done, there is certainly no recovery. I also notice a lack of recovery stories. In fact I think anyone affected cannot recover because a recalculation has not happened?
Does anyone think that a recalculation of the penguin 2.0 penalties has happened? If so why do they think that.
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Yeah, Penguin 2.1 was confirmed. We're not clear if there are data updates outside of the official updates or not - Google hasn't been very forthcoming on that. I have heard of recoveries since 2.0, though.
In general, recovery stories are very limited. Penguin is brutal, and the people I know who have been successful have had to make deep cuts. Also, keep in mind that, if you cut deep but it's not the right cuts, that may not work either. It's a difficult road, and it depends a lot on the depth of the problem and whether the site has enough good links and a solid enough base for Google to take the link removals seriously.
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Thanks for the Reply.
I have heard about the penguin 2.1 update, but have not heard that anyone who previously was hurt by penguin 2.0 staging a recovery on this update. If the update was a true recalculation, then I believe that there would be stories come out about recoveries....
I do understand what you have said about the dropping links problem, but do not believe that is what is happening with me.
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Penguin 2.1 has taken place since then (on October 6th). If you're still in Google's dog house then it's a matter of not doing enough or not doing it they way they wanted you to. Or that wasn't the issue.
I have seen a number of cases where people believe they have been penalized when in fact their links have only been devalued. This leads to a scenario where they spend gobs of time getting links removed and submitting disavow lists without effect when the real issue was that the links they had held less value and what they should have been doing was building high quality links instead.
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