Cloaking - is this still working ? And how ?
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Hello,
Recently i read about all the cloaking world.
I search some information on the internet about it and i fine this service : http://justcloakit.com/.
Since I'm pretty new to whole this "cloaking world" so I have a few questions from from experts in this field.Is this still working on SEO since all the Google update recently ?
How easy is that for someone that don't have much experience and knowledge on php and servers stuff ?
Is there are more sites such as the above example ?In general i have the budget and i don't think its very hard to learn all the technical part but i just want to know if this is something
that still working, is that good investment in your opinion ? (As its not really cheap)Cheers and thank you for your help
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There is no harm in testing stuff, but as Ruben says, don't put it on your main business website or host on the same c-block.
I've been spammier in my 'youth' and totally get where you're coming from - it can be a real buzz getting one over on Google. BUT I now work in a purely white hat way, and the buzz you get from doing it 'right' is much better - AND the results last for longer so it's a win win for me!
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I hear ya. It's always fun to run experiments and learn something new. Whatever your reasons for pursuing it, just make sure it doesn't link to any of your other sites and isn't hosted on the same c-block...at the minimum.
Best,
Ruben
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Thank you for your respond.
I know that Google smart these days and i will never use it for one of my sites.
I do have some domain that lying there that i will be happy to play with and see if i can get results.
Im not talking to use it as my main strategy, its more for playing.And don't you think that you can learn a lot from this ?
What Google's red line?
Which niche its working and not ?I see it more research Tools and if i will make some money from that so why not.
In the end i believe that Google its a cray machines but in the end machines have bugs.I know that in here most people believe more in white hat and me too but i hear a lot of crazy thing on this.
Thank you
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Don't do it. Ruben is right, it's risky and potentially dangerous. Use your budget for good
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The generic response is:
1. Your budget is better spent developing high quality, unique content.
2. This is a violation of google's guidelines and will most likely get you penalized now or in the near future.
My response is:
1. If you want to commit yourself to trying to say ahead of everyone at google, by all means, have fun. However, by the time most black hat techniques have garnered as much attention as cloaking has, they have pretty much lived out their usefulness.
2. Admittedly, you're new to cloaking but confident you could figure it out...I just find that dangerous. I wouldn't implement something on my site, I didn't fully understand, especially if it's something google doesn't like.
My two cents.
Best,
Ruben
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