Homepage outranking subpage for main keyword, but subpage is more optimized for the keyword.
-
Recently did a site redesign, 95% of the site and keywords are matching up in terms of keyword to what page is ranking for that keyword. All and all was expected and pleased with the redesign, except...
A subpage ( PA 1 ) really is a landing page for the main keyword in question is only one jump from the hompage, is it's own category and has the exact match anchor text to its page from the homepage, has a total of 14 total keyword usages.
The homepage has a PA of 28, mentioned the keyword once in the body text in form of anchor link, yet still steals the thunder from the main keyword. There aren't a ton of backlinks, but ones we do have 95% of them goto the homepage.
Subpage in question has a on page grade of A for the keyword, while the homepage has an on page grade of C. No backlinks at all for this page yet.
Subpage even uses the keyword as it's url name, so kinda at a loss to what else I can do, it's a new page, so alll I keep thinking is the issue is the page authority, it's linked to from other pages on the site.
Any suggestions?
-
I know I'm a little late to the game but one suggestion I would recommend reading your post is to take the synonym out of your page title on your home page. For example, I work with a lot of attorneys and if I create separate pages for "lawyer" and "attorney", I never get the respective targeted traffic ... google just ranks the more optimized, higher PA page for both terms.
-
Very good points guys thanks!
- To Patrick: Yes, bad, bad backlinks in some cases, I'm actually in the middle of a backlink audit ( looking at our backlinks directories seem to have scraped us and or even a negative SEO campaign. ) So I want to remove the directories and other sad excuses for backlinks, especially ones using the anchor text of our keyword.
- As for the homepage title I only removed the 1st part of the keyword and replaced with a synonym that was already ranking for the homepage. Reason I didn't want the homepage to rank, was that it simply doesn't give the searcher what they were searching for, yes it has the links, but not the meat. The subpage I want to rank for this, has about 6 additional paragraphs that explain the meat a searcher will want explained to them when searching for the keyword.
_I can send you a link to the site in private message. _
- To Dmytro: Yes it's a new page the subpage is, with a PA of 1, so homepage easily outranks it, and the homepage was ranking for this keyword before the redesign. So could be an issue of time google needs to see this page changed and the keyword isn't relevant any longer or I'll just need to build up the subpage to the point it takes back the keyword relevance.
_I can send you a link to the site in private message. _
-
I agree with Patrick.
I personally think that search engines simply prioritise your homepage over the subpages, as a result of higher PA, Links and so forth.
Also, you said that this is a new page, was your homepage ranking for that keyword before you've added the new page? What I think, is that the new page contributes to the ranking of the homepage, as it hasn't got enough ranking signals (e.g. backlinks) on its own.
I might be wrong.
It will be helpful if you can maybe post the link to the website.
-
Hi there
Without seeing your website, I can't say, I'm just here for ideas at the moment!
If you think your backlinks may be spammy (the fact that you said "cheap" and "directories" makes me nervous) I would look into auditing those, try removing bad ones, and disavowing ones that are outright bad or you don't hear back from for removal.
I would also be careful about changing your homepage title tag - if you are ranking for that keyword, I worry changing it might make you lose rankings altogether, so just be careful.
It's not bad that your homepage is ranking, more often than not your homepage has the most equity for ranking. I would keep your homepage as is and build equity around the subpage for that keyword through thoughtful linking and brand building.
Let me know if you have any further questions here!
-
Hello and thanks for the reply!
Backlinks / Anchor Text - ( Seems directories ( the cheap free ones ) have linked to us a good amount of times using our keyword )
Wonder if it will help to disavow some of these, because feel these are hurting us not just their quality but the pages the backlinks show up on changes based on how many backlinks they have, so the total number of backlinks changes + or - 1( or more ) because of these kinda directories.
Content - Homepage was completely rewritten upon redesign, the keyword we want to rank on the subpage doesn't appear at all, minus the anchor text for the link to that subpage. On the subpage itself, uses the keyword 13 times, as well in alt tags for images. Its hard to avoid the keyword being used that many times even, since it describes the material types as well.
Title tags are good, the homepage did have the keyword in it ( naturally ) but changed it to a synonym.
Seems a few backlinks using the anchor text with keyword will help pry the homepage away from the keyword relevance.
How do you feel about that?
-
Hi there
I would check the anchor text of the backlinks to your homepage, that may have something to do with it. It seems like Google is putting more emphasis on the homepage for that keyword, so they are seeing something you may not be at this minute.
Try adding an internal link (relevantly and organically) in the content of your homepage, rather than just the main navigation, to that particular page and see if that helps you. Also, you can try adding Schema to that page as a WebPage and add keyword data to the markup.
Check your title tags as well and make sure that you are not abusing the keyword by spamming in your content. For now, that would be my recommendation as a place to start: checking your backlinks, anchor text, and content. Some of the links to your homepage might be able to be changed to the category page if it's more relevant to the content it's being linked to from.
Let me know if this helps! Good luck!
Patrick
Got a burning SEO question?
Subscribe to Moz Pro to gain full access to Q&A, answer questions, and ask your own.
Browse Questions
Explore more categories
-
Moz Tools
Chat with the community about the Moz tools.
-
SEO Tactics
Discuss the SEO process with fellow marketers
-
Community
Discuss industry events, jobs, and news!
-
Digital Marketing
Chat about tactics outside of SEO
-
Research & Trends
Dive into research and trends in the search industry.
-
Support
Connect on product support and feature requests.
Related Questions
-
What is the best way to optimize website for more than one city?
This is my first post in the Moz Community and I have to say, it looks like an amazing place to learn - I am excited to be here. My question is this. I have a client who would like to optimize his local business website so that is shows up in several different cities. For example, he has an office in Ottawa, London and Woodstock. What would the best way to complete the on-page optimization so that Google knows this site is relevant for his service in any of these cities? Is it just a matter of including each of these terms in the title, content and headings? Should I create additional website for each location? Create a resource page for each city on the main site? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,
Link Building | | KickItDigital
Nathan0 -
One keyword has dropped, everything else is ok, why?
Ok so this is what I got, 1 page ranks for about 5 different terms, all closely matching for example: Flower Pots, Flower Pot, Cheap Flower Pots, Buy Flower Pots. Flower Pot and Flower Pots are on page 2. Flower Pot stays where it is BUT Flower Pots drops out the rankings completely after being there for years. Could a blast of exact match anchor text at the term Flower Pots cause this? I would have thought the page would have been zapped rather then just one keyword. Any ideas?
Link Building | | Bondara0 -
Keyword Alt text in Links
I am wondering about alt text in links. My website was ranking in the top 1-5 position for all my main keywords from 2006-2012. I took a big hit in april 2012 and my rankings tanked with the penguin update. I've really just left seo alone for the past year as I assumed my rankings would come back, obviously not. I am still ranked 90-120 for my main keyword a year later, other keywords I am still ranked between position #7-11 which I am happy enough with. I did not receive any warnings from google so I'm not de-listed and don't have a manual penalty. My main problem was if someone wanted to link to my site I just asked them to use the exact same alt text in the link pointing to my site. So after using seomoz explorer I see I have just over 2700 links which Is great because I never approached anyone for links I just told them the alt text I wanted when anyone approached me, which shows people felt my site was good. My main problem is I have 600 of the 2700 links with the exact same alt text. Should I use the disavow tool to remove links with that key word phrase? Would that help? I look forward to any help with this. Thanks.
Link Building | | Want1stPlaceYesterday0 -
Title Tag Targeting 3 or 4 keywords: Downsides to link building?
Hello, I've got a client who's title tags for an internal page are like (just for example) Running Shoes | Runner's Shoe | Performance Shoe | Cross-trainer That are doing fabulous in the search engines, dominating for most of the terms and dominating for word combinations off of these 4 terms. Sometimes there's no other category to split these up into two keywords a piece, to optimize for less would reduce traffic and conversions. My question is, is this going to look bad when we go to do outreach and guest posting? What are the downsides of leaving a few of the pages like this in the link building arena?
Link Building | | BobGW0 -
Why is ooshirts.com not being penalized for exact match keywords?
Clearly this site is buying links. They have the most exact match link profile I have ever seen. It appears their strategy has been to buy links for their domain as a way to mask all the other exact match purchases they are making. I have also been sent copies of the emails where they are attempting to purchase links. Thoughts?
Link Building | | bradwayland0 -
Strong pages and subpages: Building exact anchor again and again, or mix up?
Hi Seo Moz Team, I'm looking for some tips to optimize my site. The site is from mid 2009 and I'm targeting a bunch of keywords around a specific topic. One mainkeyword is a two phrase, let's say "keyword one". Since the beginning I built a lot of keyword anchor links with exact "keyword one" to my homepage. The key was climbing week to week until I reached number two on google. This place I could hold for round about 4 month. Until then it was going down to number 18 to number 14. The keyword "keyword one" was used most of all and it is the far most used key in the bunch of the other keywords. My first question is: I don't know what to do. I started building some brand links in order to mix the anchortext up. Should I built some new links to "keyword one" until I'm in the tops again although I have so much of them already? Could it be, that I have a keyword penalty one year now? In the meantime I worked with other keywords, deeplinks with total different keys and brand links. Smaller keys are ranking good and are very stable on positions 1-3. But especially this key is a little bid tricky. Other sites in the serps have roundabout 5-10 links regarding "keyword one" and they are ranking better than my site with 30-40 exakt anchor. My other idea was, that some links with anchor "keyword one" could be devalued. In this case it should be ok to build some new with exact anchor? The second keyword, lets say "key word two" is a three word combination. I have 60 good and editorial links on this special page and mixed up since I was optimizing for this key. Url mentions, exact anchor, variations and so on. With this key I'm on number 3. Number two is a very week site with no exact anchor backlink but a three word "keyword Domain". Regarding to this, my second question: There is no other site on my project, that is stronger than this three key combination page, but I can't reach to number 1-2 in google. The incoming links are very good regarding to all the other sites in the serps. Should I have patience? Building more and more links? I'm afraid that it is unnatural this way. For your information: There is one site in the serps from 2004. Everything this site does is to build lnks with "keyword one" and two other keywords. No variations, no brand. I think 85% of the time. This guy is ranking on positions 2-3 with this combinations since 3 years now, but smaller keys are week and foundable in comparison. Thanks in advance!
Link Building | | Whipeout770 -
Should I optimize/link build all my pages at once?
I'm currently starting to optimize about 30 area specific pages for a property maintenance company and was wondering, what's the best way to link build multiple pages at once? Should I link build for all of the 30 the pages at once, or maybe focus on 5 individual pages - get them ranking well, then focus on the next 5 and so on?
Link Building | | guy_andrews0 -
Very simple Link question: Ziggy Marley homepage
Newbie here: My client is Zion rootswear. They need links, bad. They have friends in high rank places, this is good. Ziggy Marley has a link to them on his homepage: Gear: Zion Rootswear this takes the user to the website when clicked QUESTION Should I have the ziggy team change it to www.zionrootswear.com? Ill assume this is obvious, yes they should....more juice...right? I need an expert opinion. Thanks Mozzers.
Link Building | | Giggy0